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c'mon baby light my feu
18-01-2007, 11:05 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/01/18/cneuro18.xml

Germans get by without the euro

Last Updated: 1:42am GMT 18/01/2007

There will soon be 65 regional currencies in operation alongside the
EU's, but the financial authorities are not worried yet, writes Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard
# Comment: UK's standoffishness on euro looks better than ever

If you live in the Bavarian region of Chiemgau, you can exist for
months at a time in a euro-free zone of hills and lakes with a
population of half a million people. Restaurants, bakeries,
hairdressers and a network of supermarkets will accept the local
currency: the Chiemgauer.

Notes are exchanged freely like legal tender. You can even use a debit
card. Petrol stations are still a problem, but biofuel outlets are
signing up. Dentists are next.

Map of German and Austrain regional currencies
Map of German and Austrain regional currencies -click to enlarge

The Chiemgauer is one of 16 regional currencies that have sprung into
existence across Germany and Austria since the launch of the euro five
years ago.

Another 49 regios are in the pipeline. They are outside the control of
the political authorities, mostly run by activists, farmers,
eco-enthusiasts, anti-globalists, and citizen committees.

Some are rural, others circulate like underground money in Berlin and
Bremen. Hamburg has two: the Alto and the Hansemark. Italy has its
version in the Valchius Valley, in the Alps.

The phenomenon, not seen since the Great Depression, has left experts
scratching heads at the Bundesbank. The mighty reserve bank, which
issues euro notes and coins worth €146bn for a third of the eurozone
economy, is relaxed about the risk of monetary anarchy. But it is
sufficiently puzzled to publish a 63-page report probing the eruption
of this movement.

Entitled "Regional Currencies in Germany, Local Competition for the
Euro?", it concludes that the tiny scale of this bizarre Schwundgeld -
scrip, or specie - poses no threat to the orderly management of the
euro system.

The rise of the regios dates exactly from the abolition of the D-Mark,
replaced in turn by a stateless technocrat currency ever further
removed from local life.

A pure coincidence, said Prof Gerhard Rösl, author of the Bundesbank
paper. "The assumption that this springs from a general scepticism
towards the euro is not valid."
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Rather, the movement is a rejection of "capitalist globalism", pushed
by idealists fighting to save regional cultures. The currencies are
"luxury" scrip that flourish most in areas with the lowest
unemployment. They offer users a "prestige gain" in their
neighbourhoods, and a glow of good feeling.

School teacher Christian Gelleri launched the Chiemgauer, with the help
of pupils, as an experiment in January 2003 at a rate of 1:1 against
the euro.

Four years later, it spans two districts and is accepted by 550 shops,
firms, and companies, including eight supermarkets and four
co-operative banks. It has 40 issuing offices, and usage is expanding
by 70pc a year. Monthly turnover is still a miniscule €135,000
(£88,000) - or rather C135,000.

"People have taken to it because it is a way of supporting good
causes," said Mr Gelleri.

The Chiemgauer is designed to lose 2pc of its value every quarter,
generating a profit for the issuing body as shops claim back the euros.
Some 60pc of the profit is used for local charities, sports clubs,
kindergartens and such.

Shops accepting the money take a loss of up to 5pc, akin to interchange
fees paid when credit cards are used. "Merchants pay the cost, but they
go along because they don't want to lose business," said Mr Gelleri.

The idea stems from the century-old writings of Silvio Gesell, a German
economist who believed that interest and rent charged on capital is
pernicious. He argued that usury aggravated economic downturns because
the wealthy began to horde cash.

Austria's Tyrolean community of Wörgl launched a scheme based on his
theories, in 1932, reputed to have slashed unemployment at the height
of the Depression. It was watched by Keynes and Irving Fisher, who saw
a fast-depreciating currency as a possible answer to the 1930s
"liquidity trap".

"I came to the idea by studying Keynes and Fisher, but for us it is
more a way to build regional strength. We're not enemies of Europe,"
said Mr Gelleri.

The Wörgl experiment was declared illegal by Austria's central bank
when a further 200 other communities launched copycat currencies,
threatening the authority of the state. Though article 35 of the
Bundesbank's founding law forbids the circulation of
"quasi-currencies", the experiments are being treated as a harmless
eccentricity.

However, they are a remarkable expression of people power, and a subtle
threat to the established order. Would they be sprouting with so much
energy if the Germans still had the D-Mark in their pockets? One
suspects not.

Volker Hetzer
18-01-2007, 04:39 PM
c'mon baby light my feu schrieb:
> Another 49 regios are in the pipeline. They are outside the control of
> the political authorities, mostly run by activists, farmers,
> eco-enthusiasts, anti-globalists, and citizen committees.
[...]
> Rather, the movement is a rejection of "capitalist globalism", pushed
> by idealists fighting to save regional cultures. The currencies are
> "luxury" scrip that flourish most in areas with the lowest
> unemployment. They offer users a "prestige gain" in their
> neighbourhoods, and a glow of good feeling.
And all are more or less pegged to the euro. No idea, what the
anti-globalists want with this.

> The idea stems from the century-old writings of Silvio Gesell, a German
> economist who believed that interest and rent charged on capital is
> pernicious. He argued that usury aggravated economic downturns because
> the wealthy began to horde cash.
This is the report from the federal reserve bank:
http://www.bundesbank.de/download/volkswirtschaft/dkp/2006/200643dkp.pdf
There is an abstract in english.
Looks like the EZB doesn't have to start trembling yet.

Lots of Greetings!
Volker
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Deeply Filled Mortician
18-01-2007, 09:12 PM
Let is be knownst that on Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:39:42 +0100, Volker
Hetzer <firstname.lastname@ieee.org> writted:

>c'mon baby light my feu schrieb:
>> Another 49 regios are in the pipeline. They are outside the control of
>> the political authorities, mostly run by activists, farmers,
>> eco-enthusiasts, anti-globalists, and citizen committees.
>[...]
>> Rather, the movement is a rejection of "capitalist globalism", pushed
>> by idealists fighting to save regional cultures. The currencies are
>> "luxury" scrip that flourish most in areas with the lowest
>> unemployment. They offer users a "prestige gain" in their
>> neighbourhoods, and a glow of good feeling.
>And all are more or less pegged to the euro. No idea, what the
>anti-globalists want with this.

You would be hard pressed to find an anti-globalist whose theories are
any more than cool sounding diatribe.
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barney2@cix.compulink.co.uk
19-01-2007, 02:15 AM
In article <kaovq2ho62pvmr9ce6c2bo8ol1rn9np6cg@4ax.com>,
deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician) wrote:

> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> *Date:* Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:12:05 +0100
>
> Let is be knownst that on Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:39:42 +0100, Volker
> Hetzer <firstname.lastname@ieee.org> writted:
>
> >c'mon baby light my feu schrieb:
> >> Another 49 regios are in the pipeline. They are outside the control
> > of
> >> the political authorities, mostly run by activists, farmers,
> >> eco-enthusiasts, anti-globalists, and citizen committees.
> >[...]
> >> Rather, the movement is a rejection of "capitalist globalism", pushed
> >> by idealists fighting to save regional cultures. The currencies are
> >> "luxury" scrip that flourish most in areas with the lowest
> >> unemployment. They offer users a "prestige gain" in their
> >> neighbourhoods, and a glow of good feeling.
> >And all are more or less pegged to the euro. No idea, what the
> >anti-globalists want with this.
>
> You would be hard pressed to find an anti-globalist whose theories are
> any more than cool sounding diatribe.

There are degrees of anti-glob, though, as of anything. The problem as
always is that the extremists get the publicity, and middle grounds are
not very sexy.

Deeply Filled Mortician
19-01-2007, 11:01 AM
Let is be knownst that on Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:15:30 -0600,
barney2@cix.compulink.co.uk writted:

>In article <kaovq2ho62pvmr9ce6c2bo8ol1rn9np6cg@4ax.com>,
>deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician) wrote:
>
>> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>> *Date:* Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:12:05 +0100
>>
>> Let is be knownst that on Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:39:42 +0100, Volker
>> Hetzer <firstname.lastname@ieee.org> writted:
>>
>> >c'mon baby light my feu schrieb:
>> >> Another 49 regios are in the pipeline. They are outside the control
>> > of
>> >> the political authorities, mostly run by activists, farmers,
>> >> eco-enthusiasts, anti-globalists, and citizen committees.
>> >[...]
>> >> Rather, the movement is a rejection of "capitalist globalism", pushed
>> >> by idealists fighting to save regional cultures. The currencies are
>> >> "luxury" scrip that flourish most in areas with the lowest
>> >> unemployment. They offer users a "prestige gain" in their
>> >> neighbourhoods, and a glow of good feeling.
>> >And all are more or less pegged to the euro. No idea, what the
>> >anti-globalists want with this.
>>
>> You would be hard pressed to find an anti-globalist whose theories are
>> any more than cool sounding diatribe.
>
>There are degrees of anti-glob, though, as of anything. The problem as
>always is that the extremists get the publicity, and middle grounds are
>not very sexy.

I bet those in the middle ground wouldn't call themselves anti
globalists!
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barney2@cix.compulink.co.uk
19-01-2007, 02:25 PM
In article <2891r2dvhl7fp8i2dd71deurovvv6ml6d6@4ax.com>,
deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician) wrote:

> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> *Date:* Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:01:58 +0100
>
> Let is be knownst that on Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:15:30 -0600,
> barney2@cix.compulink.co.uk writted:
>
> >In article <kaovq2ho62pvmr9ce6c2bo8ol1rn9np6cg@4ax.com>,
> >deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu (Deeply Filled Mortician)
> wrote:
> >
> >> *From:* Deeply Filled Mortician
> >> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> >> *Date:* Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:12:05 +0100
> >>
> >> Let is be knownst that on Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:39:42 +0100, Volker
> >> Hetzer <firstname.lastname@ieee.org> writted:
> >>
> >> >c'mon baby light my feu schrieb:
> >> >> Another 49 regios are in the pipeline. They are outside the
> > > control >of
> >> >> the political authorities, mostly run by activists, farmers,
> >> >> eco-enthusiasts, anti-globalists, and citizen committees.
> >> >[...]
> >> >> Rather, the movement is a rejection of "capitalist globalism",
> > > pushed
> >> >> by idealists fighting to save regional cultures. The currencies
> > > are
> >> >> "luxury" scrip that flourish most in areas with the lowest
> >> >> unemployment. They offer users a "prestige gain" in their
> >> >> neighbourhoods, and a glow of good feeling.
> >> >And all are more or less pegged to the euro. No idea, what the
> >> >anti-globalists want with this.
> >>
> >> You would be hard pressed to find an anti-globalist whose theories
> > are
> >> any more than cool sounding diatribe.
> >
> >There are degrees of anti-glob, though, as of anything. The problem as
> >always is that the extremists get the publicity, and middle grounds
> are >not very sexy.
>
> I bet those in the middle ground wouldn't call themselves anti
> globalists!

True.

Or perhaps more accurately, in my experience many of those who call
themselves anti-globalists wouldn't easily admit to privately having
middle-ground thoughts...