There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".

Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.

There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
shoulders (for NO good reason).

So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
prostitution, and high violence.

On 19 Mar, 14:07, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
>
>
> >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
> >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
> >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
> >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> >prostitution, and high violence.
>
> This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>
> GM

GM, if you can shield yourself from the rubbish the right-wingers here
put forward against me, then you will find that my posts are
'reasonable'. Also they are very often not party-political, indeed my
views are often different to Labour and Tony Blair's views.

No, the post isn't 'forged' - this view I have put in this forum
several times, but most regular posters here choose to not respond to
sensible posts!

On Mar 19, 6:07 am, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
>
>
> >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
> >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
> >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
> >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> >prostitution, and high violence.
>
> This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

On 19 Mar, 13:28, "Wink Nightingale" <m...@witty.com> wrote:
> On Mar 19, 6:07 am, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> > <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
> > >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> > >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> > >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> > >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> > >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> > >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
> > >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> > >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> > >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
> > >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> > >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> > >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> > >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> > >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> > >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> > >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> > >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> > >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> > >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
> > >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> > >prostitution, and high violence.
>
> > This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>
> Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

:-) nice one! (but, Wee Willie Winkie, what were you up to exactly?
Looking through the bedroom door keyholes at 8 o' clock?)

On Mar 19, 5:31 am, "Mark, Devon" <coope...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 19 Mar, 13:28, "Wink Nightingale" <m...@witty.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 19, 6:07 am, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> > > <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
> > > >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> > > >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> > > >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> > > >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> > > >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> > > >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
> > > >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> > > >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> > > >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
> > > >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> > > >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> > > >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> > > >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> > > >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> > > >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> > > >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> > > >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> > > >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> > > >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
> > > >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> > > >prostitution, and high violence.
>
> > > This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>
> > Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
>
> :-) nice one! (but, Wee Willie Winkie, what were you up to exactly?
> Looking through the bedroom door keyholes at 8 o' clock?)



Tosser.

"Mark, Devon" <coopermg@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1174300531.802752.95530@b75g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry"
> for
> the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> 'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a
> situation
> where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children
> then
> being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> prostitution, and high violence.
>

That's not what tony would say, is it?

On 19 Mar, 13:41, "pencil" <pencil.era...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Mark, Devon" <coope...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174300531.802752.95530@b75g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> > slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> > Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> > modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> > ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> > There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry"
> > for
> > the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> > 'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> > suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a
> > situation
> > where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> > off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> > people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> > high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> > shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> > So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> > invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> > whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> > good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> > allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children
> > then
> > being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> > prostitution, and high violence.
>
> That's not what tony would say, is it?

Probably not. So?

On 19 Mar, 13:39, "Wink Nightingale" <m...@witty.com> wrote:
> On Mar 19, 5:31 am, "Mark, Devon" <coope...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 19 Mar, 13:28, "Wink Nightingale" <m...@witty.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 19, 6:07 am, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> > > > <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
> > > > >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> > > > >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> > > > >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> > > > >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> > > > >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> > > > >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
> > > > >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> > > > >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> > > > >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
> > > > >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> > > > >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> > > > >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> > > > >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> > > > >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> > > > >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> > > > >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> > > > >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> > > > >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> > > > >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
> > > > >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> > > > >prostitution, and high violence.
>
> > > > This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>
> > > Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
>
> > :-) nice one! (but, Wee Willie Winkie, what were you up to exactly?
> > Looking through the bedroom door keyholes at 8 o' clock?)
>
> Tosser.

You're a what!!??

On Mar 19, 5:48 am, "Mark, Devon" <coope...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 19 Mar, 13:39, "Wink Nightingale" <m...@witty.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 19, 5:31 am, "Mark, Devon" <coope...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 19 Mar, 13:28, "Wink Nightingale" <m...@witty.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 19, 6:07 am, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> > > > > <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
> > > > > >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> > > > > >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> > > > > >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> > > > > >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> > > > > >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> > > > > >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
> > > > > >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> > > > > >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> > > > > >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
> > > > > >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> > > > > >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> > > > > >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> > > > > >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> > > > > >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> > > > > >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> > > > > >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> > > > > >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> > > > > >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> > > > > >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
> > > > > >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> > > > > >prostitution, and high violence.
>
> > > > > This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>
> > > > Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
>
> > > :-) nice one! (but, Wee Willie Winkie, what were you up to exactly?
> > > Looking through the bedroom door keyholes at 8 o' clock?)
>
> > Tosser.
>
> You're a what!!??


And a thick tosser at that.

On 19 Mar, 14:52, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2007 06:16:07 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
>
>
> >On 19 Mar, 14:07, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> >> <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
> >> >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> >> >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> >> >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> >> >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> >> >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> >> >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
> >> >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
> >> >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
> >> >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
> >> >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
> >> >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
> >> >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
> >> >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
> >> >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> >> >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> >> >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> >> >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> >> >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> >> >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
> >> >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> >> >prostitution, and high violence.
>
> >> This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>
> >> GM
>
> >GM, if you can shield yourself from the rubbish the right-wingers here
> >put forward against me, then you will find that my posts are
> >'reasonable'. Also they are very often not party-political, indeed my
> >views are often different to Labour and Tony Blair's views.
>
> >No, the post isn't 'forged' - this view I have put in this forum
> >several times, but most regular posters here choose to not respond to
> >sensible posts!
>
> Well that's interesting.
> The point of view you put forward here is one that I certainly agree with.
> At some time most *all* of some of our forebears groups had been slaves, and
> I find it ridiculous that the blacks think that *their* slavery is so
> special.
> (Point: I hear that the "slavic" countries are so named because that was
> once a rich hunting ground for slaves.)
>
> However, I made the slightly TIC post because it is usually the left and
> socialists that take the "we are all guilty -- especially YOU" position,
> where the right often takes the view of "life is hard and our life is what
> we make of it, regardless of previous circumstances".
>
> (As to myself, of course I am heavenly stainless)
>
> GM

Oh, I fully understand. I have several views that could be construed
as rather more 'right-wing' than left.

I have for years argued against those in the black community 'locking
out' the police, and my predictions on the damage that they have done
(if you like, to their own communities) have come true, to the word.
They cried 'racism' far too often and when it was just ridiculous and
now their own kids are being murdered/sold drugs/abused/raped/made
prostitutes on the streets. Black leaders should be the ones now who
say "sorry police, we've made a big mistake, PLEASE come back and work
with us to rid our communities of filth, including black filth". AND
they should be the ones who condemn the sort of rap 'music' that
condones and glorifies the gun culture. Filthy music, suitable only to
filthy minds, but attractive to some young and vulnerable people. This
sort of 'music' should be banned.

On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
<coopermg@btinternet.com>, wrote

>There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
>slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
>Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
>modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
>ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
>There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
>the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
>'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
>suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
>where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
>off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
>people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
>high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
>shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
>So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
>invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
>whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
>good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
>allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
>being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
>prostitution, and high violence.

This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?

GM

Mark, Devon wrote:
> On 19 Mar, 14:07, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
>> <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>> There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
>>> slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>>
>>> Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
>>> modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
>>> ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>>
>>> There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry"
>>> for the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By
>>> crying 'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person
>>> they suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a
>>> situation where the police have left their communities alone. They
>>> have scared off the police....well done, now we have innocent black
>>> and white people being killed in increasing numbers by people in
>>> areas with a high black population, often by black people who have
>>> a chip on both shoulders (for NO good reason).
>>
>>> So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
>>> invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
>>> whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
>>> good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
>>> allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children
>>> then being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
>>> prostitution, and high violence.
>>
>> This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>>
>> GM
>
> GM, if you can shield yourself from the rubbish the right-wingers here
> put forward against me, then you will find that my posts are
> 'reasonable'. Also they are very often not party-political, indeed my
> views are often different to Labour and Tony Blair's views.
>
> No, the post isn't 'forged' - this view I have put in this forum
> several times, but most regular posters here choose to not respond to
> sensible posts!
>
Don't we also have to place these things the context of the 'prevailing
mindset' of the era in wich they took place?

At the beginning of the 19th century thousands of British children as young
as five were forced to work long hours in extremely dangerous conditions,
facing death and injury, in mills, down mines, up chimneys etc, along with
very sizeable proportions of the population dying prematurely from disease
and poverty.

Yes terrible things did happen back than and not only to black slaves, but
we also mustn't forget that our modern developments in health, wealth and
social enlightenment which now exists in so many areas around the globe,
have actually been built on the foundation stones laid down in those times.

On 19 Mar 2007 06:16:07 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
<coopermg@btinternet.com>, wrote

>On 19 Mar, 14:07, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
>> <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>>
>>
>>
>> >There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
>> >slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>>
>> >Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
>> >modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
>> >ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>>
>> >There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry" for
>> >the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By crying
>> >'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person they
>> >suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a situation
>> >where the police have left their communities alone. They have scared
>> >off the police....well done, now we have innocent black and white
>> >people being killed in increasing numbers by people in areas with a
>> >high black population, often by black people who have a chip on both
>> >shoulders (for NO good reason).
>>
>> >So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
>> >invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
>> >whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
>> >good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
>> >allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children then
>> >being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
>> >prostitution, and high violence.
>>
>> This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>>
>> GM
>
>GM, if you can shield yourself from the rubbish the right-wingers here
>put forward against me, then you will find that my posts are
>'reasonable'. Also they are very often not party-political, indeed my
>views are often different to Labour and Tony Blair's views.
>
>No, the post isn't 'forged' - this view I have put in this forum
>several times, but most regular posters here choose to not respond to
>sensible posts!

Well that's interesting.
The point of view you put forward here is one that I certainly agree with.
At some time most *all* of some of our forebears groups had been slaves, and
I find it ridiculous that the blacks think that *their* slavery is so
special.
(Point: I hear that the "slavic" countries are so named because that was
once a rich hunting ground for slaves.)

However, I made the slightly TIC post because it is usually the left and
socialists that take the "we are all guilty -- especially YOU" position,
where the right often takes the view of "life is hard and our life is what
we make of it, regardless of previous circumstances".

(As to myself, of course I am heavenly stainless)

GM

On 19 Mar, 14:14, "Ivan" <Ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Mark, Devon wrote:
> > On 19 Mar, 14:07, gordon monohan <gmono...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> On 19 Mar 2007 03:35:31 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "Mark, Devon"
> >> <coope...@btinternet.com>, wrote
>
> >>> There have been calls for Tony Blair to say "sorry" regarding the
> >>> slave trade. To all those people who demand this I say "no".
>
> >>> Tony Blair has no need to say "sorry" any more than anyone else in
> >>> modern Britain. The slave trade that Britain engaged in ended ages
> >>> ago, it's all in the past, and everyone should now just move on.
>
> >>> There is a need for some black community 'leaders' to say "sorry"
> >>> for the mess they've helped create in their own communities. By
> >>> crying 'racism' every time a copper has apprehended a black person
> >>> they suspected of a crime, they have successfully helped create a
> >>> situation where the police have left their communities alone. They
> >>> have scared off the police....well done, now we have innocent black
> >>> and white people being killed in increasing numbers by people in
> >>> areas with a high black population, often by black people who have
> >>> a chip on both shoulders (for NO good reason).
>
> >>> So, I say this to black community 'leaders' - say "sorry" and re-
> >>> invite the police back into your communities. And don't cry 'racism'
> >>> whenever a black guy is apprehended; instead assume the police have
> >>> good reason, which they usually have. The alternative is continue to
> >>> allow your communities to not be policed, with your own children
> >>> then being brought up in a culture of high crime, high drugs, high
> >>> prostitution, and high violence.
>
> >> This is a very reasonable post. Was it forged or something?
>
> >> GM
>
> > GM, if you can shield yourself from the rubbish the right-wingers here
> > put forward against me, then you will find that my posts are
> > 'reasonable'. Also they are very often not party-political, indeed my
> > views are often different to Labour and Tony Blair's views.
>
> > No, the post isn't 'forged' - this view I have put in this forum
> > several times, but most regular posters here choose to not respond to
> > sensible posts!
>
> Don't we also have to place these things the context of the 'prevailing
> mindset' of the era in wich they took place?
>
> At the beginning of the 19th century thousands of British children as young
> as five were forced to work long hours in extremely dangerous conditions,
> facing death and injury, in mills, down mines, up chimneys etc, along with
> very sizeable proportions of the population dying prematurely from disease
> and poverty.
>
> Yes terrible things did happen back than and not only to black slaves, but
> we also mustn't forget that our modern developments in health, wealth and
> social enlightenment which now exists in so many areas around the globe,
> have actually been built on the foundation stones laid down in those times.

Good post Ivan.